Performance, Pressure, and the Modern Mind

What happens when high performers keep producing… while quietly falling apart internally?

In this special bonus episode, Dr. Lawrence Salone joins Clay Young for a powerful conversation about performance, pressure, stress, emotional overload, and the hidden factors affecting people in today’s world.

This discussion goes far beyond traditional conversations about mental health. Dr. Salone explores how many professionals, leaders, parents, and entrepreneurs are operating in a constant state of cognitive and emotional strain while still trying to maintain productivity, relationships, and success.

Inside this episode:

•  Why many people are not lazy or unmotivated — they’re overloaded 
•  How chronic stress impacts focus, discipline, and decision-making 
•  The connection between emotional suppression and declining performance 
•  Why modern life creates cognitive fragmentation and exhaustion 
•  The difference between temporary output and sustainable performance 
•  How self-awareness, structure, and recovery influence long-term success 

If you’ve ever felt mentally exhausted while still trying to perform at a high level, this episode will help you better understand what may really be happening beneath the surface.

This is a conversation about capacity, clarity, discipline, and learning how to function at a higher level without destroying yourself in the process.

Hosted by Dr. Lawrence Salone. Bonus interview originally aired with permission from WAFB.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hey everybody, welcome back. This is Dr. Lawrence coming to talk about a special episode. So recently I got a chance to sit down with my friend Clay Young, and we talked all things performance. This this is a podcast you definitely want to check out. Why? Well, because we're talking about what does it mean to perform? What does it mean to excel? Is failure a part of that? Yes, failure is absolutely a part of that. You fail all the time. But failure isn't a problem, it is a superpower that gets you to curate your goal, to shape the world that you really want to see. And the important thing is to not give up. So if you are looking at accomplishing a goal, if you are looking at being a better you, if you are looking at hearing the world's greatest debate on whether Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant is the best, you definitely want to check out this podcast. Uh, my man Clay is doing some amazing things. I was honored to sit down and talk with him. And when you put great entrepreneurial minds together, you get great conversations. So this is one that you definitely want to check out. You definitely don't want to miss this, and you definitely want to send this to somebody that you know. So come on, let's dive into it.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Welcome back to the C-Suite, moving through the month of April, and let's check mental acuity and see how you're doing right now with Dr. Lawrence Stallone, who's launched a virtual site network. And let's talk a little bit about that because you did the TV show earlier this month, and we had a conversation about it. Um, because I do want to get into a little bit more of your history and some of what you have done, but that's the news top of mind. Plus, you have something happening later this month. You'll be back on TV to talk about that in a couple of weeks. That's happened on the 25th. But the Virtual Psych Network launched on March 16th here. Correct. And uh tell people what it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

Basically, it's a vehicle, Clay, where people who don't want to wait nine months to get help. It's a vehicle that empowers people to better their mental health care. Right. The reality of it is, man, if you have a problem today. If you broke your leg today, you're not gonna wait nine months to go get it. We're going to now. We're going to now.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

Not later today, not tomorrow. Now, right.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

And so what we what we've done, man, is we've listened to the feedback from our patients all across the state, and and they're they're frustrated with you know pro authorizations. They're frustrated with this individual doesn't take my insurance, and you know, you have medicine over here, and you gotta drive all the way across town for someone else, or you have these internet companies coming in with people that just don't know what that touch is.

SPEAKER_00 2:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

You know, yeah, and and and so there's a trust issue. And so what we decided to do, since we've been in this market for 15 years, we decided to make sure that it was available for people who really wanted to take more control over their mental health care. And it's been it's been fun, man. It's been fun being able to be entrepreneurial, but also uh uh a servant at heart to make sure that people had options.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

I was talking downstairs with uh Heather before coming up to the studio about this, telling her that we were going to talk on the show today, and I told her about the network, and she was like, that's a great idea, it is. And and one of the things that she said was a lot of people have a stigma about even being seen walking into and out of a therapist's office. Right. This removes that because they could do it sitting in their office or sitting at their home and have access to a medical professional that could help them deal with crisis or consistent conversation about issues they may be trying to overcome, correct?

SPEAKER_01 3:44

Correct. Well, what we've seen, we were one of the first organizations to introduce virtual uh healthcare delivery in the state of Louisiana. And and what we noticed, those people don't miss appointments. There is no baggage associated with it because it's private. Yep. It's a private extremely private. It is. And and when you think about you know what happens in the work environment, you know, you have imposter syndrome, you have performance issues, you have just life. How did how folks say life be life? Yeah. When you have those things going on, the last thing you want to do is to uh present that you have a deficit. And so what we've allowed, we've we've attacked that stigma thing head on, man. We've been able to go into environments that we otherwise would not have done. I mean, we do that in a corporate setting, and and what we're doing now is introducing that to the private, uh, the private sector because they need it. Yeah. No one has the shouldn't again mean you shouldn't be waiting um 12 months to get help. And and and let me just spend on this. Yeah. Because it's not just medicine, it's not just therapy. It's it's it's a complete healthcare, right? So you and I talk a lot about nutrition and fitness and so forth. What you eat impacts how you feel. You know, are you exercising? Do you have proper sleep hygiene? You know, a lot of the services that we offer in the membership are, you know, we give you a nutritional evaluation. We we set you up with a dietitian. So, you know, what's your blood type? What should you be eating? What shouldn't you be eating? Because quite honestly, the food pyramid today was different from the one that you and I grew up with. So, what where's that information? We shouldn't rely on Chat GPT for things. We want to go and talk to real people who are experts in this area. And a lot of times those types of services aren't covered by insurance. So, what are we to do as a provider organization? Should we not provide those things? No, we want to go and uh live our mission. Our mission, our vision is to improve the lives of the patients that we serve. Well, sometimes that doesn't come in that box that's provided through employer-based insurances or uh uh other vehicles that are out here. So we're taking a stab at it, making sure that people have what they need.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

You there's so much to unpack in what you just said. Let's start with something you said uh and and a previous answer before you started to expound on this. You mentioned imposter syndrome that has come up a whole lot. So, first, what is imposter syndrome?

SPEAKER_01 6:15

You have a talented individual that doesn't think that they're enough, right? You you did the schoolwork, you did the projects, you did the internships, you're qualified in your job, but for some reason you feel that your presentation isn't enough because you're comparing yourself to someone else. And that happens all the day. Yeah, that happens in in corporate environments, that happens in sports environments, team environments in general, but that is a real thing. It's just I'm not enough. And so when you have that dynamic, uh it can affect your performance. And and that in itself creates anxiety. And as you know, anxiety is rooted in fear.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

So you have people living in fear. Let me say this. Louisiana, right now, is the number one stressed out state in the United States. Really, really. And so when I looked at that, I looked at there are, you know, this is right in line with my research. There are so many things that that go into that clay. You know, what I call dopamine wars. We don't eat right, we don't sleep right, we consume improper things, we're on the phones too much. Okay, fine. Chronic stress, we didn't, you know, we have issues with money. We're working too much, we're working out enough, four or five jobs, so forth, and then isolation. And when you start looking at Louisiana, I mean it's crawfish season, man. We're supposed to be having a good time. We're supposed to be, you know, Le Bonton Roulet, but we are the number one stress. Sportsman's paradise.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Yeah. But we're the number one stress. That's so crazy in the nation. There are cities in America larger in population than Louisiana to say that we are the number one. The most stressed state. What causes it?

SPEAKER_01 7:51

Well, what the data says is uh this is coming from three things. Okay. Okay. And I've been I I feel like I'm I'm I'm on a I'm beating a bandwagon here, but chronic stress is is rooted 90 95% rooted in money.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

Okay. And and the economy plays into that, you know, uh news events of today, they plays into that. But we've been seeing this since the pandemic. Isolation. Uh we're not interacting with people like we used to. And a lot of that is these devices. This is we don't watch TV as much as we stream, we we everything is available to us with our phones. And and what happens with that is we're you're no you and I are no longer interacting with one another, right? Well, if you're not interacting with one another, you're not exercising, you're not doing those types of things, you know, you you get you increase cortisol, you increase these these markers in your body that that take you down pathways that you shouldn't go. And and the third thing, which I think is the most diabolical of them all, are what I call dopamine wars. And what is that? So dopamine is a is a feel-good hormone, right? Uh and it's really a superpower to the body, but if we're over-consuming it, uh how do you over-consume it? Okay. So I we're taking that imposter syndrome, right? Okay. I don't feel enough. So to feel better, I'm gonna drink. Oh. To feel better, I'm gonna get a pint of ice cream, in proper relationship with sugar, uh, in proper relationship with the substance. To feel better, I'm gonna have an Amazon package come to my house every day because these people, you know, my neighbors know that I'm important now. I don't feel important at work, so I'm just overspend. And you see that with gamblers, they're chasing the dopamine. And so what I call dopamine wars is just our improper relationship with with what we call self-medication. You're trying to feel better. Yeah. And and it happens all across like stress eating. Stress eating is 100%. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

Oh, that's so interesting. Go ahead, go ahead, finish the clock.

SPEAKER_01 10:01

Well, you you see it, those are the more widely acceptable things, but if some you have a you're gambling, you're vaping, you're smoking, you're you're consuming illicit substances, you are doing things that you otherwise shouldn't do because you don't have a proper uh outlet system. Okay. Well, system. You don't have a problem uh a proper system to to frame your work. Okay. And that's, I believe, when you add on the fact that we don't sleep well, we're over caffeinated, we're eating impossible meat, which is impossible, it's mostly chemicals. It's I mean, telling you what it is in the name, but we're you know, okay, cool. For whatever reason. Wait, there's something called impossible meat? There is something called impossible meat in their system. Are you serious? I'm 100%. And and people are consuming it, and and and it marketing gimmicks aside, when you look at the data with that, that's not real food. No. And so you're ingesting things in your body that your body now has to fight. Yeah. Increase the inflammation, increased cortisol, your body is stressed. And and the body can't delineate between whether I'm in a real environment or or it's an environment of my mind because fear is fear. And so that's that's what I believe happening, man, uh, across the country. Um anxiety and depression should mirror one another. Right now, we're seeing a seven-fold increase in anxiety. The data saying it's coming in those three areas. And when you look at people who want to go get help and they can't get help, Clay, that's why we we answered the call. Yeah. And we made ourselves available uh to individuals that wanted to be in the driver's seat with their mental health care.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

I love talking to mental health professionals because you all have such a way of articulating the clarity of a problem, but also talking about the value of seeking a solution, regardless of what the problem is. Right. And this is a this is kind of a kind of a lob to ask this because I'm sure you've had to talk about this a lot. By the way, Dr. Salone also hosts a podcast called Empowered. Empowerment with Dr. Lawrence. Yeah, and so um I I encourage you to check that out wherever you get your podcasts. On Spotify, Apple Music, every we they have us everywhere. Well, that's that's so check him out, check him out. But let's talk about social media. Okay. So I am not one that believes social media is the mother of all evil. Uh it's it's a tool. It is an amazing tool. Yeah. But like with anything, a misusing a tool can be to your detriment. You know, having a meal. Now, I ain't eating nothing called impossible meat. We're going to talk about that when this show is over. Because I need to know where the hell you go to buy impossible meat. I don't know. I'm not like I don't know why you would look at that on a menu and go, hmm, I'll have the impossible meat. Yes. Yes, yes. But but if you are obviously because you're in business too, so it's a tool for you. You and he's a great follower on social media because it isn't just promoting your show, you also give protein to people about being okay mentally. But if you're advising usage, if if someone says, Doc, you know, I enjoy social media, but sometimes it impacts my psyche. It it I it either depresses me or makes me anxious or whatever, what advice would you give?

SPEAKER_01 13:27

Man, I'm gonna be honest with you, that's very hard to do. Uh so the advice would be to take try a seven-day social media holiday. Okay. That is almost impossible because most of our lives, most of our information, what we consume is is funneled through that vehicle. Um the algorithm is set, you know, every everybody right now is copying TikTok. The algorithm is set to to keep you in that platform. Um feed you more of what you want. Feed you more of what you want. And and what we've seen happen is to in in is to get an individual to take a seven-day social media holiday. And not to put any pressure on you. Start with one day. Um funny story, I talk about it in my book. Um a friend of mine challenged me, uh, because you know I had it all together and I, you know, I'm I'm good. He said, You're spending too much time on that phone. We were talking, and I I kept, I was on the phone. He's he said, that thing is owning you. I was like, I ain't what do you mean is owning me? He said, I said, no, it's not. He said, Well delete the app. I forget what app it was. He said, delete the app. I said, psh, I ain't got I ain't gotta prove nothing to you. You're not the boss of me. You're not the boss of me. Who do you think you are? But when he left, delete the app. I could delete the app right now. And it's like it started moving. Clay, I couldn't catch it. It was it started running. I was like, hey, hey, you know, I got my steps in there. Well, well, I finally deleted it, and uh one of the things that happened is I realized, and this was this is before the iPhone told you how much time you spend on the phone, you know. You're averaging nine hours on your phone. Like, it was before all of that. And so I I couldn't delete it. Once I deleted it, I mean, I I think I added it back in three days, you know. I was gonna ask you. Yeah, it was, I mean, I failed. I mean, I failed music.

SPEAKER_00 15:30

Three days is good.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

A lot of people wouldn't be, it wouldn't be three hours. And and that's the the reality because if if we're consuming, so what's happening on these apps, what's happening in social media, and I think it's really moving more towards interest media, is how they're keeping you uh uh on there. You're not you're not you you're not seeing anything from the people you're connected to. It's exactly what you want. And so it's brilliant from a from a business standpoint, but the problem is that's hard to do, particularly when that is the way that you escape. I mean, so a lot of the things we're talking about now, we can say self-medication, but it's escapism, video games, you know, these are tools that I'm using to either check out or or to numb something that I don't know how to deal with. So it starts with a ideally seven-day detox. The challenge for most folks is to get through the day one. That's that's gonna be the challenge.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

Because I mean it it gets easier after the first day. It it doesn't get easy, it gets easier, I would imagine, after the first day, like with any fast or thing you pull away from. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

Yeah, you you you're gonna replace it if if you're not spending five hours on video games or five hours doom scrolling. Oh, you all of a sudden have time to to go on a date. You all of a sudden have time to go to the gym or to read, God forbid that we do that anymore. But that's that's those are the things, and and it's you're able to replace that with something that's more meaningful. Yeah, and uh it's almost funny just to watch people struggle with that um because this it is such a powerful tool, and it is a tool. Yeah. Um one of the things that I've seen people you that who use it well as a tool, they don't have a personal page. Um I and because we're on it so much for business and the message that we're trying to go right equip people with, I don't I found myself after a year not using my personal page. So what's the point of having it? You know, when you're if if it's there as a tool, if it if it's a truly a tool, then then you can control it. But when you get caught in that that web, man, it's it's hard to get out of there.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

Man, and I try to it's hard to not consume negativity because it's so everywhere, but I'm careful about it because of that algorithm trap. Like you look at a video about negativity, and then there's three more right behind it. But I also try to make it a point to post something positive or silly that's like I remember this morning, uh I I what I one of the things I frequently enjoy is watching the day break.

SPEAKER_02 18:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

So I was outside, it was dark after I got back from the gym, and I'm just it's dark, and I'm watching the light and it's relaxing. I was listening to the Isaac brothers too, so I was in a good place. You in a good I was in a great place. Man, so and the other thing is I read this some time ago, and I try to practice it is not to grab my phone first thing when I when I get up, and to as much as you can within that first hour of the day, don't touch any social media. Don't even look at it. Just to try to condition myself to not need it first thing in the morning. Because I mean you could fall into this habitual thing, not even intending to, it's just it's a part of your routine. You get up, you do that, and and I think uh what about what's your idea about or your advice about tune-out time? Because I struggled with that a long time until I figured out how to actively tune out. Because you have to now, because we're an information overload. It's like buffet of information. Anything you need is flying at you. What's your advice about, hey, taking a beat? I say 15 minutes a day.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

Okay. And so what I started um years ago is at 4 o'clock. I have a reminder on my phone, but then it's it's automatic now. But at 4 o'clock to 4:30, uh, I'm on Do Not Disturbed and I'm just quiet. I'm not talking to anyone, I'm not scrolling anything, I'm processing the conversations that I had that day. Did I accomplish my goals? Did I do something meaningful? You know, if if if we're trying to hit a personal record at in the gym, you know, what am I doing to prepare for that? So it's my time to get out of everything that's pulling from me and to come within. And I think that's where our superpower comes. The more we can shut off the outside noise and really live in that, you know, what's the why behind Clay, what's the why behind Lawrence, then then it becomes clearer. The science behind this, um, if you and I want to go grab a coffee or go grab something to eat, and you want to go to Stabbs and I want to go to Sullivan's, we're not in agreement. Right, right. Um but the the science behind it, let me get to the science behind it. What you see, you know, your feet can never go where your eyes have never been. And so that quiet time allows you to see where I'm going to be this week, what is on my docket, what's coming up. And a lot of times you can do that in the morning. Uh, instead of picking up your phone in the morning, you know, do that in the morning, and then check in with yourself at the evening at four o'clock and say, Did I, did I hit my goals? And and what you'll find is no, because for me it was checking emails. I get, you know, as as a CEO and a founder, and and I speak and I do, I'm I'm pulled in several different directions. I get a million emails a day. Well, in the morning, I can plan my day and understand what's important, prioritize what's going to happen. But at the end of the day, I didn't hit some of those because I was being pulled apart. And so for me, I was able to delegate certain things that were, you know, robbing me of me accomplishing my goal because that's really important to me. And so if you have those check-in moments, start within the end of the day, because it's it's it's fresh, it's present. You know, what happened today? And shut the news out. Take a walk in your neighborhood while you do that. Hit the hit the elliptical machine before you come home and watch everything or consume it on your phone. What happened in my world today? And then what you'll see is that if you marry that, that first 30 minutes when you get up on the way to work. I used to listen to sports talk radio and everything. On my way to work now, it's quiet. And it was uncomfortable at first. But now, oh man, that's that's a superpower. I get to go and And be focused and understand, you know, how am I going to have a difficult conversation with this individual? You know, what is it that I can say to add value to that individual and when you have time, you know, and because you shut out all the noise, you deleted that app that was so difficult to delete. Now you you're you're more you you can accomplish your goals.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

How do you set the tone of a day?

SPEAKER_01 22:30

I'm a goal-oriented person. I'm ex-military, um, athlete, all that. I'm I'm used to goals, and so I don't know a world that exists without me having a goal. Um when you accomplish big goals, it's kind of avoiding it, like, because now I have to go and figure out what I want to do. Um so for me, it's where am I along the path of my goal? And if it's a big audacious goal, what am I doing every day that's gonna help support that? You know, you're chipping it away, chipping away, chipping away, and before long, you have a pathway cleared. Um, and I enjoy that. I enjoy that process because the end result is amazing, but I particularly enjoy the process because that's where you learn about yourself. Yeah. You know, um you want to run a marathon, that first mile, running a first, that first mile sucks. It just doesn't. You know, you get shin spleense, you're tired, your back starts hurting, and it's like you find muscles in your back that you didn't even know you had, and it's like, how do we get here? But if you keep running that mile and you go from a 10-minute mile to an eight-minute mile to a six-minute mile, your back doesn't hurt anymore. Your shins don't hurt anymore. You you have the right shoes. You know what to eat the night before, so you're not feeling like you have to, you know, regurgitate everything that you ate. It's just a process. I'm a process person. And that that um one of my mentors once before told me the train can go as fast as it's designed to go as long as it stays on the track. And so for me, planning in the morning, recapping my day, it's me staying on the track. And then I can accomplish a lot. I mean, I follow you on social media. You're you're busier than me. And and I'm like, and somebody was talking about how does he do that? Like, he's regimented. I can tell you he goes to the gym at the same time. I can tell you that there are certain things that he's not gonna eat. And and it's not that we're just super strong, it's just we love our goals, we love the end product, and we've fallen in love with the process. And so whether I'm coaching someone or talking to an organization or on a podcast like this, I'm encouraging people to define and implement your process. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

I love that. That is such a great idea. So what if someone is listening to you and they don't have a process? They they they want to know where to get started. Because there's there there are, you know, talent cannot achieve what discipline does not want. 100%. And so if discipline wants it, talent or no, you are more likely to achieve it. You gotta have a coach. So, how does someone build a process? Because I mean, you do you know this because of the history of your life, all the years you've done in school to get to where you are, the time you spent in the military running a business, operating a business, it requires a great number of hats, and you have to have supernatural focus to check every box. And and then to go back to make certain that you didn't miss a box in the process because we're human beings, that can happen. That that doesn't mean you're negligent. It's just it's like it's life. So then if someone is listening to you saying, Dr. Lawrence, I I okay, I want to build my process, but I don't know what to do, what would you say?

SPEAKER_01 25:48

You have to find an accountability partner, aka a coach. Okay. Okay. Whether we're talking clinical or we're just talking, I want to attain a goal professionally, you have to have someone that's done it. My advice would be to find someone, not a talking head, but someone that's actually done it. Right. Not someone that went to Chat GPT and gave me a 10-point plan to run an American. No, no. I'm scared of that stuff, man. I love it. I mean, because here's the thing, proof is gonna be in the Putin. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

No, I mean, I'm scared of people leaning on AI totally without being able to validate because it got it's great. There's a human element that has to be in there. Here's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

What we're talking about now, you could have the plan. I told someone one time, I could give you my business plan. That doesn't mean you're gonna make the sacrifices, that doesn't mean you're gonna have the resources, the wherewithal to get up and do the things that's gonna prove that business plan successful. So there is a human element. To answer your question, though, you have to start if you don't know where to start, you don't know where your launch point is, find someone who is demonstrating success in that area. Yeah. Um in my quiet time one day. Great advice. Um I was you know working on something and it came to me, would you take a fitness instructor, uh, would you take fitness advice from someone who was not in shape? I said no. And and and so what what was what came about that reflective moment was then you need to follow that individual there because that individual was living where I wanted to be. And so if I'm trying to start that process, then you look for people that demonstrated proof. We can all you you can put flashy stuff out there, you can you can put impossible meat out there, okay? And it may taste the same, but is it giving you the amino acids that your body needs to have to recover to heal? Probably not. So so my advice would be look for the proof. When you tell me things, I know for a fact with our history that you don't give me haphazard answers. If Clay says something, you're taking it. Because you're the proof of what uh uh what people want to see.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

And so that's what look for proof. I I I think that um that is such a layered and and protein-rich answer for so many people trying to start uh failure. There are people who live in fear of failure. I I'm I'm look, I failed it more than I've won at because I try. Right. Uh and I think that that's the thing about life. You know, Tim Grover, who was Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, and Dwayne Wade's personal trainer, right? And he has a saying he says, if you think the cost of success is too great, wait till you get the bill for regret. Right. And that's the thing, because you know as years go by, you've forgotten more successes than you remember. But boy, if I say start counting failures, you can go back to teenage years and run them through. But they were all and I'll give you another thing that BJ Armstrong said about Michael Jordan. I'm a fan of Michael Jordan's mindset. Okay, listen. Let me hit pause on this and let's have the discussion. I know you're not gonna come sitting here that he got all of that by watching Michael Jordan. That's where he got it from. But Michael Jordan was uniquely gifted to do that. Yeah, he he copied, he copied Michael. I love Kobe too now. But so look at okay, okay. You see how you just gotta change this rabbit? Let's change the date now. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

All right, you you drive a Ferrari. Yeah.

unknown 29:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

Okay, I'm in a Honda Civic. Yeah. Who should win? The Ferrari. Ferrari should win. The Ferrari should win. I see the trap you're trying to set, but go ahead. So Kobe wasn't as gifted as Michael. He didn't have it. He was gifted, but he wasn't as gifted. He was unique. Yes. He didn't have the wingspan. No. He didn't have the strength. He didn't have the build. Or the vertical line. Or the vertical. Mike could jump from beyond the free throw line.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

We look at that picture. See, I see. He was uniquely gifted. I see what you're doing, but he exploded his talent. So what you're trying to say is he did more with less. That makes it greater. Yes, that's what that's more difficult. That's more difficult. You know what, man? I'm gonna keep my mic. I'm gonna give you the quote because I'm looking for the people. I'm a fan of Mike. He's in my top three. But for me, he's in your top three. Okay, Kobe. Well, where is he in your top three? Kobe. Let me cook. Let me cook it. Let me cook. Let me cook it. Kobe when you make it. When you get ready to serve some impossible meat.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

Kobe did more with less. Yeah. Mike is unique.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

That's such a intelligent put down right there, man.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

No, no, no, no, no. You know who's my number three? Who? Alan Iverson. He changed the game. He changed the game. He's six foot. Some people say he's five eleven. Six foot. He he embarrassed Mike. He got to Mike. He had one crossover, but my man, he was. If if you listen to Kobe, rest in peace. Yeah. Kobe said that Alan Iverson and Tim Tim Hardy. Tim Hardaway were the only ones that challenged him. Because he had the tenacity. He did more with less. And so for me.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

By the time he hit his prime, Michael Jordan was retired. Understood. No, no, but but. But the young Kobe went to Chicago in a game and was in the all-star game, and he got cooked like that impossible meat you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

Hey man, okay, so Patrick Mahomes got embarrassed by Tom Brady. And you're supposed to. Well, you know. You're supposed to. If I am the GOAT, if I'm the greatest of all time, if I've done more with the talents and the gifts that I was able to, that I was blessed with, I'm supposed to win. It doesn't take away from the greatness that it takes to compete at that level, though. So think think so look at it this way. You have you have uh uh the Hilton franchise, you you have the Marriott, these these global conglomerates. You know what they're getting killed by now? Airbnbs. They're doing more with less. I study business and I study what it takes to be successful. And I can appreciate when someone has uh map to take market share from the Hiltons and the Marriott's other world and the Rich Carlton's of the world, right? Yeah because attention is a premium. To do that, you have to be on.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

To paraphrase the great Shannon Sharp, Kobe Bryant, Anita Bryant, Ryan, Mike's the goat.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

So I hands down. Look, look, he is let me tell you this. Uh and I'm uh please understand.

SPEAKER_00 32:57

You lost 30% of the audience with this tape. You just gave it to the content.

SPEAKER_01 33:05

Exactly right. But I believe and I stand on it. How many times have I been Kobe? A lot. How many times have I been Mike? Not as much. I think I'm Mike when it comes to being a father. I think I'm Mike when it comes to motivating people because I mean I'm I'm blessed for that. I'm gift, you know, I'm gifted in that arena. Uh I struggled in business. You know, the thing.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

Anybody who's been in business is that struggle.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

So we started talking about failures. Man, you can't get to where you are without failures. And if your proposition is to say that if if I'm looking at Bezos and Zuckerberg and whoever's hot today and think that they didn't go through something, Seth Gooden wrote a book called The Dip. It's an 85-page book. I read it in my 20s, and I have it today. As a matter of fact, I make all my leaders read it. Okay. The dip is there, whether you're an attorney, whether in service, or whether you you you're selling cogs, the dip is there to separate the wheat from the chef. And if you understand that and you push through that, you you drive separation between you and what would be a competitor so deep that they don't even want to fool with you. They just support you because you've done the work.

SPEAKER_00 34:29

And so to get through the dip, you're gonna fail. You have well, you have to. And what a the quote I was gonna give before you took us down this detour, and I'm just gonna say that I am an enormous fan of Kobe Bean Bryant. I think Wani gone way, way too soon. Oh man, that was that was a tragic. And I think that he is one of the greatest athletes of any sport to have ever played the game. I just think Michael Jordan's mentality, and it's on display right now or something. But the thing about him and talking about failure was a great quote from BJ Armstrong. Okay. He said, after 1991, Michael never lost. He won or he learned. That's that's a it's a it's a framework. But that's the thing about, because if you don't try to learn from a loss, you keep repeating it. I believe that there is all there's almost a spiritual algorithm to problems that keep popping up until you figure out why, learn from it, and then you it becomes predictable down the road. That's like as you get older and you're in a space and you feel tensity and foolishness kind of rising up. The the wisdom in you goes, Yeah, this is going sideways. Where are my keys? I'm out. That's what you learn when you're young. Ooh, look at these guys. Yeah, you know, then you catch a straight.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

Oh man, I have a story about that. So I'm fresh out of the army. Yeah. And we we went to, we were in Iraq, and you know, you changed numbers, and so we got, we uh made friends with some some Brits and so forth. They wanted to come to New Orleans. And so we're in New Orleans, hand grenades, all of that, and everybody's having a good time. And we hear World Star, and all the Americans got out of targe. The Brits were like, huh, what's going on here? You should have left.

SPEAKER_00 36:32

Well, they couldn't have been black. No, okay, though. You know, black folks, you start running, they forget his honor in a card. He he might start taking a couple steps towards the door, too.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

If he sees a fool and no, but let me tell you this.

SPEAKER_00 36:54

Listen, listen, that's why you don't see black folks attacked by grizzly bears. There's bears in the woods. Let's go eat. Yeah, waffle house. So look, I want to talk about, I want to talk about mom's matter. Yeah. So you've got an event that's taking place on April 25th, uh, 10 to noon 30, 12:30 at the Renaissance on Blue Bonnet. What is mom's matter?

SPEAKER_01 37:19

So we're addressing the four things that moms deal with, right? Their matter, right? So that's, and we're tackling anxiety. Yeah. How does it show up at work? How does it show up in your relationships? How does it show up in your children? How does it show up in your life when everything isn't okay? Right. And so when you sit back and look at uh 70, 80% of all healthcare decisions are made by women. Okay. And they're responsible for their children. They're responsible for keeping the house in order. Where do they go? Right? And and this event is in line with what we believe as an organization to improve the lives of the patients that trust us with their care. And so here's the reality This is a free event. We want them to come to and be prepared to have a conversation. This isn't something didactic where we're gonna sit there and talk about DSM criteria. No, we're gonna jump in the trenches and say, what does it look like? How does anxiety show up at work? Right? Imposter syndrome, I'm not enough, and frustrations, and how do I accomplish these goals with the various pressures that we're all under, right? But more importantly, what are practical tips that I can use to start the process? Yeah, right. And so one of the things that uh uh you know, when you look at who's gonna be there, we have pediatricians, we have uh OBGYNs that'll be uh there providing information because the reality of it is if you're so accustomed to taking care of everyone else, you know, there are folks that that aren't taking care of themselves. And so we we want to open it up to, you know, if you're not a mother and you're in the work world or you you're you're a lady that's experiencing anxiety and you just have questions. Sure, uh it's gonna be we we're gonna tackle those four areas. We're gonna have information, um, we're gonna we're gonna cover how does these things how do these things show up with your children, um not to fix them. Everything is centered around that mom. And our belief, our goal, our hope is that someone that's frustrated, you we we ask, you know, how does someone start the process? A lot of times anxiety comes and stress comes. I'm getting hit and I don't know where it's coming from. And so what we're trying to do is take the veil off of some of the four most common areas that people are getting uh uh beat up. And so we want to make sure that that you know we talk to the Renaissance, uh, they're gonna feed you. Because it's Saturday morning. It's Saturday morning. Um this is for you. Come as you are. Uh we want you to to meet the people that we that we have that's gonna be there for you. We're gonna give you some coffee and some refreshments and so forth, but this is a conversation about uh um what do we do when ABC happens?

SPEAKER_00 40:18

Because so many people don't have that. Well, tell you what I want to do. Uh there's some, you know, we I connect you with Brian Haldane over at Talk 107, and then we'll go downstairs and catch Matt before he gets out of the building for our station to be. Because I really I think it's important to get the word out about something like this. One, like you said, it's open to the pup to ladies, and it's it's free, you're gonna provide food, but it's it's a very valuable thing because there's so many homes, especially in inner city communities of of really any color, where you have women who are mom and dad, breadwinner and nurturer, nurse, teacher, all these things. Comforter and chief. There really isn't a whole lot of space for her to be able to say, okay, what about me because of everybody else? So I I encourage something like this. You know, I I want to do a show with you and Dr. Christiane Ricard. And what I what I think I'll do is we'll put it out on social to get people to pose some questions. We can we can build a framework because I know that in terms of advice, there there are certain guidelines that you have to stipulate. We can't get treatment over the internet. Right, that's right. But uh in general, some of the principles that you've given even here are helpful about starting processes. And so I'll I'll end with this question. If someone is watching slash listening to us, okay, and they're not okay, and they don't even know why they're not, like you said, sometimes you're not okay within yourself, you don't know where this is coming from, but you're not okay. How do they begin the process of getting to okay?

SPEAKER_01 41:51

It it starts with one acknowledging that I'm not. I don't like feeling this way. Okay. We as humans, we don't make logical decisions, we make emotional decisions, okay? And we can argue that, but we make emotional decisions, okay? It's true. It's true. So so if you're in that space, if that's where you are, um I would love to say follow us, you know, look, you know, Dr. Lawrence. You can you can Google me and I'm I'm everywhere. But give your social media handles. Uh on Instagram is at Dr. Lawrence Salone, uh, on YouTube is the same. Um and and if you put it in chat, and I'm I'm gonna pop up. My organizations are gonna pop up. But the the this is where so uh uh AI becomes helpful. Because you you go to Google and you're gonna get a link to something. Now you gotta discern is this person, you know, are they gonna get me? If you go to chat, man, you and you say, hey, where can I get help that's gonna address this? And they're gonna give you real-world, it's it's basically they're gonna comb the Google reviews and tell you who to go to. So what's in the index? What's in the index as it pertains to you, but yeah, my thought would be to reach out. And and I think in the day of these these the TikToks and the Instagrams and and the AI and so forth, you know, that's easier today. It's just uh the the challenge is I would encur the challenge is actually doing it. So I would encourage them to go in. Look for someone that that that you think you that's demonstrating the success that you want. Yeah, you know, a mentor.

SPEAKER_00 43:25

A mentor. Yeah. I love this. So you've got the information. Dr. Salone is going to be back to do TV later this month to talk about mom's matter and help him get the word out about it because it's a fantastic event. So we've learned uh four amazing things on this show today. Mom's Matter is an event happening on April 25th, 10 a.m. at the Renaissance. Open to ladies out there that you can find Dr. Lawrence if you'd like to get next to him. Uh, three, uh, you should definitely look into his podcast, Empowered with Dr. Lawrence. Four, Michael Jordan's the greatest of all time. I think that's what the consensus is here on the show. You know, I'm outnumbered in the studio, so I'm gonna write I'm hoping that Chuck didn't have any audio mishaps in your mic work, which he sucker bleep you out. Every time you say Kobe Bryant, we just voice over Michael Jordan on it. He's my number one because I appreciate his process. I'm not taking anything. Well, look, that is a very good thing because he did start with lesson. He was he was 17 years old when he got to pro sports out of Lower Marion High School.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

What I'll say this, I'll say this, because this is one of my favorite topics. What I appreciate about Kobe, Tom Brady, Mike, you discounted me. You discounted me. And and never lost that chip. That chip became an ember, and that ember became a fire, and the world was better because of that. So when someone But they also took accountability. They did. And and so I'll end with this. If somebody is discounting you, it's not that you're enough to channel that into unleashing the collective genius that's within you because the world needs to see. Sometimes you need that target on the wall.

SPEAKER_00 45:09

Sometimes you need that target. Alright, I'll see you in a couple weeks, and hopefully by then you got your mind right about this basketball thing. I mean, we weren't even gonna go there. I was I was done on impossible meat, but now you put me on that. All right, shout out to Chuck and Cam who's here in the studio with us, Dr. Lawrence. We appreciate your brother. And y'all will see him again later this month. See you on the next C-suite.

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See you.